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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:52 am 
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I thought it was becasue I knew Phred.

As for help..............I don't have time, and won't until it cools down.

Like in November.

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Jocko Homo wrote:
I thought it was becasue I knew Phred.

That probably doesn't help.


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Read some of the links and develop some skills. There is plenty of usable imformation for the novice in these post and links. I know enough not to just throw suggestions for specific caps off the top of my head. You won't learn anything and be denied the satisfaction of experimenting with different caps in your circuit and developing some insight into how decoupling works. If this is not the path for you try going to Google and typing "best sounding electrolytic caps" or doing a search on one of the many audio forums out there. You will find the subject of which capacitor to use has been discussed to death and there are many opinions.


CG You say geek like it is a bad thing.... I play a game with my wife by holding up a component and asking resistor, inductor, or capacitor? She hates it and still guesses wrong after years of me doing this. She retaliates by practicing the clarinet after I go to bed. By the the way I am a babe magnent...... ask Jocko. :finga:

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Originally the decoupling capacitor on the MOSFET drain was 1 uF. It was replaced with 470 uF, and all the film bypass caps were removed or replaced with electrolytics. That seems contrary to the normal practice, I know, but I had experienced ringing that was sourced to the 1 uF film decoupling caps. So I decided to get rid of all of them. I don't miss them, either: the low inductance electrolytics are effective to well past 100kHz, and don't distort much either



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There are several 470 uF electrolytic bypass capacitors on the supply rails for each channel. The size, type, and position of the bypass capacitors must be carefully adjusted for best performance. Strategic placement of film and small electrolytic bypass capacitors may affect the sound, but when they do it will be in a largely unpredictable way.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:16 pm 
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Fred_D wrote:
CG You say geek like it is a bad thing.... I play a game with my wife by holding up a component and asking resistor, inductor, or capacitor? She hates it and still guesses wrong after years of me doing this. She retaliates by practicing the clarinet after I go to bed. By the the way I am a babe magnent...... ask Jocko. :finga:

Most of the rf guys I know think that audio hobbyists are the geekiest of the lot.


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As promised, here are some Panasonic FM impedance shots.
First, a comparison between a PanaFM 680uF /50V and a Samsung [spell: a good generic] 1000uF /63V.
Consider that the higher voltage and value favors the Samsung ESR -wise.
Obviously, the cap going lower is the Pana.


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Here it's a comparison between
a PanasonicFM 680uF /50V and a PanaFM 680uF /35V


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Another comp. between a PanaFM 680uF /50V and a PanaFm 470uF /50V


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PanaFM 680uF /50V against PanaFM 220uF /50V


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PanaFM 680uF /50V against PanaFM 680uF /10V


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PanaFM 680uF /50V against PanaFM 220uF /10V


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PanaFM 220uF /10V against an Oscon 10uF /16V


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PanaFM 220uF /10V against a generic Nichicon 220uF / 25V


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That's all what I have of FM types, for now.
I hope it's visible why I said that in the higher value ranges also the more generic type capacitors have already reached the "magic" ~ -60dB [20 -25 mOhm] ESR value level. At this level lead & trace lengths, soldering quality counts more than the cap's ESR itself. So no extra help from a Pana, really.

But what is really good is that this ESR level do not change drammatically as we go downwards into low voltage territory, and that is new for me, at least..

Hope it's also visible how good it stands up against an Oscon..
And how "bad" is that generic Nich. 220uF referred to the Pana.

Ciao, George


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George, not wanting to abbuse of your time (and great work btw), do you happen to have some Rubycon ZLs around?

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