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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:57 am 
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The SMD chip has a much better pinout, sounds better and runs warmer.
It is curious that you say you like it warm - it is very likely indeed that it has some positive impact in the sound.

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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:02 am 
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or is it the heat dissipated by the chip that takes a while to heat everything else up to a nice temperature?

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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:32 am 
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Food for thought.

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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:13 am 
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This is the second time I am reading through these posts.
I am trying to find out the finer points of this pre .
I notice that there are very posts about the different types of capacitors and resistors and the influence it has to the final outcome.
This is my first version and would like to build a second "ultimate " version. !
At present it is unity gain and R5 is 560 R and I have removed R4.
Carlos, I hope you do not mind clearing some of my questions :
1) do I expect to hear any difference if I replace R4 with 560 R also.?
2) I am using a Lightspeed clone passive as the pot.
I try placing the Lightspeed in front or after the AD 815 and both way works fine.
My amp is the Truepath Tripath amp with a 2 uF input cap .
What is your recommendation in this ?

The other day, I tried the Ad 815 in my friends place with an expensive panel speaker and jadis monblock amp. After hearing it, everybody wants a AD 815 !
Thanks once again.
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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:18 am 
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kp93300 wrote:
This is the second time I am reading through these posts.
I am trying to find out the finer points of this pre .
I notice that there are very few posts about the different types of capacitors and resistors and the influence it has to the final outcome.
This is my first version and would like to build a second "ultimate " version. !
At present it is unity gain and R5 is 560 R and I have removed R4.
Carlos, I hope you do not mind clearing some of my questions :
1) do I expect to hear any difference if I replace R4 with 560 R also.?
2) I am using a Lightspeed clone passive as the pot.
I try placing the Lightspeed in front or after the AD 815 and both way works fine.
My amp is the Truepath Tripath amp with a 2 uF input cap .
What is your recommendation in this ?

The other day, I tried the Ad 815 in my friends place with an expensive panel speaker and jadis monblock amp. After hearing it, everybody wants a AD 815 !
Thanks once again.
kp93300


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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:53 am 
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kp93300 wrote:
At present it is unity gain and R5 is 560 R and I have removed R4.
Carlos, I hope you do not mind clearing some of my questions :
1) do I expect to hear any difference if I replace R4 with 560 R also.?
2) I am using a Lightspeed clone passive as the pot.
I try placing the Lightspeed in front or after the AD 815 and both way works fine.
My amp is the Truepath Tripath amp with a 2 uF input cap .
What is your recommendation in this ?


Hi kp93300,

I haven't tried the AD815 at unity gain so I can't comment on the sound, but going from ~2.9x gain (as in my schematic) to 2x gain (R4 and R5 = 560R) shouldn't make much difference.
You have decreased the feedback resistor value, but the difference is so small (560R against 620R) that again, I think it won't make any detectable difference.

About your amp, I don't know what is the input impedance, so I can't comment on the input cap. I trust it is well dimensioned - the amp probably has an input impedance somewhere between 22K and 47K.

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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:37 am 
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Hi Carlos and all ,
I have an unexpected problem .
When I site the AD 815 pre under the Tripath amp on the rack, the sound exhibit a hardness that give me a headache after a while.
It lost the nice harmonic texture that i experience while testing the pre that was placed about 2 feet away during testing.amp .
I was puzzled and the I remember that Tripath amp churn a lot of RF .
I then covered all the air vent slot ( metal casing ) of the AD 815 and the magic comes back !
Can anybody advise me how to minimise this problem .
Lat night I changed all the input and output signal cable to shielded microphone wire and installed ferrite beads . All my IC are shielded.
I will test it out and report back.
Anybody experience a similar problem ?
Can I use inductors?
kp93300


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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:59 am 
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Hi,
could you try adding a wire mesh to the air vent and ensure the wire mesh is in contact with the metal casing, both electrically and physically.
Are there any other holes in the casing?

Is the Tripath enclosed in a metal casing?

Are both casings Earthed?

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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:35 am 
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kp93300, you don't need venting holes on the preamp.
My pre is a wood enclosure, fully shielded inside with aluminium tape. No vents.
Signal wires inside the pre are single pair twisted cat5 cable.
Some of my ICs, that I've made myself, - on the output of the phono pre and CDP - are single pair twisted solid core silver with teflon insulation. No shield.
I don't have a switching amp nearby, though.
Anyway, the pre can be on a fully closed shielded enclosure.

Your power amp may need better shielding, and shielded speaker cables.
Get it away from the preamp, relocate it to another shelf on the rack, route the interconnects away from the speaker cables - it is a switching amp.

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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:26 am 
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Hi Carlos and AndrewT,
I have a brief listerning last night and it is much better.
The tripath amp is encases in a 3 mm thick aluminium casing without any holes and is also grounded.
Shielded speaker cables are difficult to find here . I twisted the speaker cable within some big ferrite core
Are the type of feedback resistors critical ? What do you use ?
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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:09 am 
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I use Philips 0.6w 1% film resistors.

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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:27 am 
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if the amplifier output has a Thiele Network before the speaker terminals then that will attenuate much of the RF before it exits the amp chassis.

If a Pi filter is used rather than the more usual L filter then the attenuation is even better and it works better both ways. It attenuates the RF coming from the amp and it attenuates the RF coming from the speakers cable back into the amplifier.

Every hole in the amplifier casing is a possible leak source for RF and other electrical signals.
Similarly with the pre-amp/source equipment, every hole is a potential interference problem.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:47 am 
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carlosfm wrote:
I have been informed that there's a 'group buy' thread at Pinkfish media forum.
I feel that I need to clarify some things:

- That crazy PCB design, which is based exatly on MY schematic, doesn't have my permission, nor was I consulted.
- Call it 'group buy' or whatever you want, and although the guy gives me the credit for the schematic on the PCB, I don't agree with the PCB design and I don't agree with his attitude - asking help with the PCB design and right away talking about a 'group buy'. Typical.
- Can you trust a guy with a nickname 'Hacker'?
- Am I going to loose my time with a forum that allows such behaviour? No. I don't care.

Up to now I have tried to keep this strictly in the diy field.
I knew that by posting the design it would be in the public domain, and so it is. But there's a call of attention on the schematic: for diy use only.
I have no problem at all with other people making their own PCBs and privately sending their files to others, or their boards.
All in a private basis. This has happened before and those guys were honest enough to ask me permission to do that.
There are good, honest people using my preamp, with or without changes to the original design. These guys have made the PCB for theirselves and when contacted by others have sent the files. Even so, they asked me if it was ok to do that.

As for that unauthorized 'group buy', I'm not even going to take it serious. Actually, I have more important stuff to worry about in my life than this kind of stuff.
It's in your hands. Go on and buy him the board, if you want.
You'll get the feeling of a made in china kind of copycat stuff, but hey... it's an AD815 pre. Right?




Hi
Dear carlos
Not intrested to buy such things.
Neither a member of such "hacked" site/forum nor such Group Buy.

Sorry for my delayed reply.

But im still awaiting for Them :banghead:




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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:39 pm 
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Hi carlosfm,

Just bought a number of Elna silmic II 100 uFs for bypassing some high freq LME and LT opamps.....

Often I see small value say from 0.1 F to 0.01uF are also used to bypass the bigger bypass for taking care of the very hi freq. And you suggest not to use them, right? And wouldn't that be unable to prevent any potential oscillation at the very hi freq range? Thanks for the advice!


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 Post subject: Re: AD815 preamp
PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:24 pm 
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CFT wrote:
Hi carlosfm,

Just bought a number of Elna silmic II 100 uFs for bypassing some high freq LME and LT opamps.....

Often I see small value say from 0.1 F to 0.01uF are also used to bypass the bigger bypass for taking care of the very hi freq. And you suggest not to use them, right? And wouldn't that be unable to prevent any potential oscillation at the very hi freq range? Thanks for the advice!


Hi,

If you can get away without using those small ceramics as bypass, the better.
For many opamps you can use low esr electrolytic caps in a value of around 100uF, righ on the pins. And a small MKT cap across the rails.
On my AD815 pre I have used small multilayer ceramics right on the pins, and "normal" 68uF Philips electrolytic caps. Each case is a case, and this has worked quite well.
One thing I always insist is that not only the bypass caps (if needed) should be ON the supply pins, but some real capacitance is needed there too - the electrolytics can't be at some distance as usually seen and recommended. (!)
It's all very audible.

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