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 Post subject: A PCM1704 NOS DAC?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:09 pm 
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Pedja,

With the dwindling supplies of available TDA1541A's have you considered trying your hand at NOS in one of the newer chips such as the PCM1704?

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 Post subject: Re: A PCM1704 NOS DAC?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:36 am 
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I'm hardly a connoisseur of NOS DACs, but on paper it would seem that the PCM1704 would stomp all over the TDA1541. The low-level linearity, in particular, is far, far better on the Burr-Brown part.


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 Post subject: Re: A PCM1704 NOS DAC?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:10 am 
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Hi Dan, You may need something like this:
http://www.geocities.com/nonospcm1704/u ... ifter.html


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 Post subject: Re: A PCM1704 NOS DAC?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:52 am 
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Dan Twomey wrote:
With the dwindling supplies of available TDA1541A's have you considered trying your hand at NOS in one of the newer chips such as the PCM1704?

Well, yes, I did. :cool:

However.... the PCM1704 was actually also obsolete for some time. Until about half year ago when it again appeared in Texas list of active parts. So... we’ll see.

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 Post subject: Re: A PCM1704 NOS DAC?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:04 pm 
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Charles Hansen wrote:
I'm hardly a connoisseur of NOS DACs, but on paper it would seem that the PCM1704 would stomp all over the TDA1541. The low-level linearity, in particular, is far, far better on the Burr-Brown part.

No, not really. It is beyond question that the PCM1704 is excellent part and one of the bests in terms of linearity. However, when comparing the TDA1541A and PCM1704 papers / datasheets, you find the following low level performance @ -60dBFS: 0.79% for 1541A against about 0.85% for 1704. The PCM1704 is normally better when works with 24 bit data, 0.6% (which is, nominally speaking, a 17 bit linearity). Now, when you put this into the perspective and use dithered signal to overcome the limitation of 16 bit input of TDA1541(A), i.e. to overcome inherent limitation of non-dithered 16 bit signal itself, you get, depending on the actually used series of 1541(A) between 0.38% and 0.78% (this one for nominally worst, R1 "grade"). Actual graphs posted here:

viewtopic.php?p=13118#p13118

So, in my view, their performance in this regard is about the same, with TDA1541A having slight advantage, since the performance quoted for PCM1704, if I didn't misread the datasheet, is given for its best, K grade. However I didn't measure PCM1704 myself.

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 Post subject: Re: A PCM1704 NOS DAC?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:22 am 
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Elso Kwak wrote:
Hi Dan, You may need something like this:
http://www.geocities.com/nonospcm1704/u ... ifter.html


Elso,

As you know from first-hand experience I'm a 'kit' kind of guy. Anything beyond a kit is beyond my skill level. Every winter I try and do something interesting. Last winter I built one Pedja'a AYA DACs and couldn't be happier. All I'm really looking for right now is something as interesting as the AYA to do this winter! :thumbsup:

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Dan


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