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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:42 pm 
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John Westlake is not to be trusted, because he has products for sale.

Gordon Rankin is, but he does also.

HUH? Does that make sense?

A lot of confused people in general. "Bits is bits" mentality and suffering from mistaking marketing for facts.

My comments on AC stand. Some want to sit around and pontificate on how wrong we are. The rest of us are working on solving the problems. But we must be evil and untrustworthy as we are motivated by $$$ as well as good sound.

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Yes got it, don't trust me - everybody who's met me knows I'm money grabbing to support my test equipment fetish - is there to be any help for me? :cry:

Since when did I sell anything? - but sure looking forward to that day :finga:

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See....that is what is wrong with both of us.......we lust after most everything in the H-P catalog.

I tried girls, but it never seemed to work out. At least test equipment doesn't give you attitude and spend all your money on itself without any gratification in return.

Back to our regular programme..........

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Yes, I could not stop crying for weeks when HP stopped printing Hardback catalog?s...

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Indeed back to our regular programme..........

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carlosfm wrote:
fmak wrote:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I can assure you, no where near. Not much HDCD stuff around anyway


I know, that's why I said you can 'taste'.
The effect on a good HDCD recording, and with a good dac, is just what you discribed.
Good DVD-A is superior, of course, but I find much more difficulty in finding decent DVD-A recordings, or let's say even better, it's difficult to find any DVD-A disc in the stores.
Let's hope that DualDisc comes to stay... (???!!!)


Speaking of HDCD, anybody have a resource (online db etc.) that can illuminate which CDs are encoded in HDCD and which are not. -There certainly aren't any clues that I could find on any of the HDCD encoded CDs that I own. (I randomly discover them sometimes when the HDCD led comes on in my player...)

I'd like to be able to find some... I hope I'm just being slow-witted and that the market is not at fault.


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ozone_stink wrote:
Speaking of HDCD, anybody have a resource (online db etc.) that can illuminate which CDs are encoded in HDCD and which are not. -There certainly aren't any clues that I could find on any of the HDCD encoded CDs that I own. (I randomly discover them sometimes when the HDCD led comes on in my player...)

I'd like to be able to find some... I hope I'm just being slow-witted and that the market is not at fault.


That's right, I also have many HDCD discs that don't have the HDCD logo anywhere.
Pacific Microsonics used to have an always updated list at their site ( http://www.hdcd.com ), but that is long gone.
They were bought by Microsoft, who knows why, as they simply killed the technology and dismantled the research team, put those Pacific engineers working on lossy codecs (WMA and all that crap).
Try that link, you will be taken to uncle Bill's site, now.

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Let's hope that DualDisc comes to stay... (???!!!)


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Let's hope not. DVDA is a fraud as it allows wordings like 'advanced resolution' which can be 24/48. A lot of the 192k disc are really old material. Dual disc inherots the same problem.

SACD is much better in terms of spread and has improved in quality. With my setup, I either play SACD or Upsampled 24/176.4 CD which rivals analog.


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I have very good results on my system with SACD, DVD-A (there are a few decent recordings, even at 24/48), CD and vinyl.
All this in stereo, I'm a stereo man...
Good DVD-A has a kind of dynamics that reminds me a good multibit dac, campared to a cheap delta-sigma.
All these mediums can provide good quality. The problem is always the same: there are bad recordings / remasterings everywhere.
I have SACD discs, and also DVD-As that sound horrible.

For CD I use a PMD100 feeding a pair of AD1862s, a pair of AD843s for I/V (DC coupled, no output caps) and direct output, no extra buffering/filtering.
No upsampling, but sounds gorgeous. :cool2:

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why do you say no upsampling and PMD100 on the same time? you are using one of the best if not the best upsampling chip ever made.. :cool2:


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I'll second both of those thoughts.

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why do you say no upsampling and PMD100 on the same time? you are using one of the best if not the best upsampling chip ever made..


Now I second (or would that be Third) that!

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Glassman wrote:
why do you say no upsampling and PMD100 on the same time? you are using one of the best if not the best upsampling chip ever made.. :cool2:


I know, and I love it. But what it does is 8x oversampling.
If you consider that exactly the same as upsampling, then whatever.
And the AD1862 is a very good dac too, one of the best IMO.

I love the PMD100, I would buy a couple of these chips if I would find them, anywhere.

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Sorry to continue with the rampant thread hijacking.

HDCD:

http://www.hitbutiken.com/hdcd/?p=home&lang=en

Not the biggest resource ever...but they've got the right idea, I think.


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carlosfm wrote:
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why do you say no upsampling and PMD100 on the same time? you are using one of the best if not the best upsampling chip ever made.. :cool2:


I know, and I love it. But what it does is 8x oversampling.
If you consider that exactly the same as upsampling, then whatever.
And the AD1862 is a very good dac too, one of the best IMO.

I love the PMD100, I would buy a couple of these chips if I would find them, anywhere.


Four audio geniuses seem to be in consensus regarding their favourite chips of all time and...market stupidity has prevailed in making said chips no longer available to the consumer... Perfect. :axe:


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The chips never were available to the consumer. At least not if you wanted to buy one to futz with. In order to buy some, you had to jump through hoops, pay $$$$ up front, and agree to buy more than you could possibly use every year.

"It" is still available.......we think........in code form from Dollar Bill and Co. How much, no one seems to know. USD10K is our best guess.

M$ was sitting on tons of cash, and the gubbamint was shining the light of truth on them, as it violated some obscure part of the tax code. So, they went on a buying spree. Just to use up some of their surplus cash. Of course, they don't need the money, so that 'splains why no one knows if the code really is available.

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