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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:04 am 
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You call it humour. I call it the truth.

Balance how you have respect for Carlos against how others trash him while "stealing" his work and calling it their "research". For many, research means reading a forum and adopting its content as their own.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:06 am 
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Well yes, that is true and it happens all the time to many of us honest people.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:36 am 
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For sure some "@ssholes" steal, rip, clone, copy, etc. our efforts.
I don't need to enumerate as we all know who they are.
No only yellows, withies, reddies, brownies...
At least, everybody knows this specific design belongs to Carlos (our CarlosFM, not the one from the pub)...

I think the only way to protect some diy'ers rights is to create a database with all details of the design and dates. The date is one of the most important items.
I'm a guy to to it...
I have my own designs... And I have the same problem as Carlos... and as others...

That's why Jocko don't share his designs... I mean, he does, but...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:23 am 
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Pedro, that doesn't solve the problem.
For sure, if you post something on the internet you are sharing it. Warnings that it is only for personal use/DIY are just warnings. There is no patent and no protection so you are on your own and tied up.
The issue is more educational than anything else.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:49 pm 
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You CAN protect your designs...
With a cost, of course.


Yes, the issue here is "education"...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:20 pm 
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Did you mean Pedro the cost of patent?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:21 pm 
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Pedro wrote:
You CAN protect your designs...
With a cost, of course.


Yes, the issue here is "education"...

Come on, everything on the Internet is in the open!
If you wanna protect your design file off the typos and/or encapsulate in epoxy resin. Mark Levinson was good at that. And go SMT!!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:30 pm 
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By 'protection' I want to mean 'know the author'.

Reverse engineering is what kids are playing now :grin:
It's easy to 'disassemble' the code inside microcontrollers.
It's easy to scan a pcb, put the image inside any good pcb SW, playing a little with entering the values of the components... et voilá! You got the schematic!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:50 pm 
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Pedro wrote:
By 'protection' I want to mean 'know the author'.

Reverse engineering is what kids are playing now :grin:
It's easy to 'disassemble' the code inside microcontrollers.
It's easy to scan a pcb, put the image inside any good pcb SW, playing a little with entering the values of the components... et voilá! You got the schematic!

Well I am working on a Dexa clock.....
Any idea what a 5-pin SOT-23 IC is ?
It's marked: ZO2B


(not that's important)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:53 pm 
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In Ukraine we have no laws which protect DIYers' rights for their researches, designated for use by DIY only, excluding commercial use. You can expect protection only when you have a patent which cost a big money. Hence, the patent can be obtained only by manufacturer or designer who is going to sell his work or just rent it and get a profit. Seems like DIY is unregulated in our legislation. I suppose in Europe is the same.
There is an obvious need to claim for that to appropriate authorities I think. DIY have rights to be authors and not pay money for that.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:56 pm 
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A patent is way too expensive for DIY and only for one country!!!
If you don't want your schematic copied do not post it!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:00 pm 
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That's why I proposed a solution!


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:21 pm 
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What do you think Carlos?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:23 pm 
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Elso is right.
Unfortunately, it is the way it is.

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The ironic part........to me at least.......is how many people do copy stuff they see on the 'Net.

Just because it is on the 'Net does not mean it is true, useful or even valid. Anyone can (and does!) post stuff on private websites as well as the myriad of forums. A lot of what I see is of dubious value. But, one is free to ignore or copy away, as they so chose.

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