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Do I not speak the King's English in a manner that you can understand???????

Jocko

Moderator edit: Moved........

If and when there is a commercial section, the SKA thread should get moved. I hope it can stay here until that happens. All this makes me want to order some just to support Greg. The main stopping factor, a years worth of projects already in the closet waiting to get built.
Plus I really do not consider the SKA project commercial as it stands. The pricing is so low, there cannot be a much profit to be made from this enterprise. This may be the beginning of some commercial comsumer electronics, but as it is today is is more of service than product.


George

OK.........since we do not have a commercial section yet, what do you guys propose to do with Greg's thread?

Delete it? I say no........

Lock it........a possibility.

Something else perhaps?????

You guys let us know what you think is best...........if we get a descisive opinon, we go with it. And Greg has to live with it.

Traderbam.....you only get one vote. Make it count. [joke]

Jocko

Depends on the King.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain in a few words what "the lines we've drawn for him" actually are?

And do these lines apply just to Greg or do they apply to everyone in this forum?

And is it your intention to enforce these rules?

I fear if you do not care about the sites integrity in these matters or do not uphold it consistently, the site will be no better than "the other place" (which you seem to be averse to mentioning by name).

Moderator edit: Moved........

as has been said on many occassions, it comes down to whether it benefits the DIY community, without unduly providing any particular party with some windfall or advantage, monetary or otherwise. that seems to be the stated spirit of this board. in many ways i think the SKA thread is no different from any other thread, in that it is an mostly open and mostly constructive discussion, though not being able to see or discuss a hard schematic is a bit of a cloud over it. but the biggest point of sketchiness is what greg ultimately does with his creation, and if his success in such an endeavor comes as a result of what he has gained here. i don't think this is the case as he is mostly sharing his own expertise in his design process, and while i haven't followed the thread all the way through i can't really say the SKA would not be where it is today w/o us.

so i dunno... maybe if we do have a commercial thread, there needs to be a disclaimer (which you might have to agree to, like a checkbox or something) where you acknowledge that the discussion at hand is ultimately of a commercial nature, and you waive all intellectual rights to whatever you contribute. i don't know if such an agreement would stand up legally, but it's the very least that is needed to warn people and avoid potentially ugly scenes down the road. if such a thread fails due to people's apprenhension towards such terms, or because it becomes a nesting place for vultures, so be it - we shut it down at that point, and we're back to where we started.

Leave it as it is.
Let Greg ask oppinions about his amp(s), and let him help those who are building it.
Also let him advice new improvements to the design, as he has done.
I don't see any problem with this, as long as it stays this way.

I don't know why - don't ask me - but Greg doesn't seem like some others that pollute other forums.
We may not agree with all that he says, which is normal, but he seems to be a nice guy.

Take notice: here we have Greg, Phred, Jocko, Pedja, Elso... other places don't!

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Carlos Filipe

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage - to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstein

perhaps lock it, until we can come to a consensus. (not sure if that is a joke or not.)

sorry greg... i appreciate your contributions, but i think it has come time to address this larger issue.



sure, but being a nice guy doesn't exempt him from getting into messy situations down the road. again, no offense intended greg.

perhaps it is just my overly-litigious American nature kicking in. we are always fretting about legal action over here. but i suppose it's better than the alternative (China).

where is our resident lawyer, mr. teflon caps? :)

i meant to put this as a reply to the commercial section thread...

Merged...

Let him do his customer support on his own website. Let him do his marketing on his own website. Let him self-promote on his own website.

If he wants to come here and say - "I have this new design...here it is...this is what I am trying to do with it...discuss" then fine.

But that isn't what he is doing.

If Jocko wants to give up disk space to support commercial development then that's up to him, but at least put it in a different section.

Putting it in a different section is and was the plan.

It looks dumb to only have one thing in it.

Another issue............if they get a commercial section, they don't get it for free. The forum does not need money to continue onwards, but if it grows, someday we will have to pay for more BW.

So.......since we really don't need the money..........what do we charge, and where does the money go? Escrow, I would imagine, for the day we need it.

We hoped that we would have enough commercial interests that we could arrange for forum costs to be equally divided up between them, since they would obstensibly be the ones who benefit from it.


But.......reading my comments above, we are unlikely to get commercial interests any time soon.

Jocko

Isn't it always that way?
How many threads did this or any other forum had on the first day?

Aren't we complicating the simple things?
Jocko, there's a "Flea market" section on this forum.
Right next to it there could be another section for what we are talking about.
The only thing is to find a good name for it.
If one needs to ask permission to open a thread there, or pay something, or whatever... that's up to you guys to decide.

Meanwhile, as a provisory measure, probably move Greg's thread to the Flea market?
Read what it says under "Flea market" and see if it fits.

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Carlos Filipe

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage - to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstein

It won't look as dumb as that comment.

No.......the flea market is for you guys to sell the stuff you have sitting around, collecting dust. Besides, Greg's amp thread is more than "Anyone wanna buy one of these things?"

Actually, we had several threads the first day. Many were pointless, but at least they weren't all alone.

Here is my thoughts:

1.) We don't need a commercial section yet.

2.) We don't need the money that a commercial section would generate yet.

3.) We could use the added interest a viable commercial section would generate, but the odds of that happening soon do not seem likely.

4.) By Greg's own admission, Audio Circle is providing the bulk of his exposure on the forums. (Irony is that I have heard AC is wanting to move away from DIY stuff.) So, since he has plenty of outlets as it is, and his thread does not bring in much interest, my inclination is that we close it. (We can re-open it if a commercial section ever comes on line.) I know he will cry "FOUL!", but I do not see where it has brought in enough interest to cancel out all of the headaches it has generated. And believe me, it has caused lots of headaches.

Experiments don't always work out for the positive, but that does not make them a failure.

But....just my idea..............you guys get to put your $0.02 in.

Doesn't mean you wil get your way, but you will be heard.

Jocko